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		<title>Comment on Machiavellian Rhetoric by Jones sabo a new amassing obtainable taste</title>
		<link>http://ryanhoover.net/blog/blog/2011/04/26/machiavellian-rhetoric/#comment-21866</link>
		<dc:creator>Jones sabo a new amassing obtainable taste</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 May 2013 10:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheers! It&#039;s the best time to make some plans for the future and it is time to be happy.</description>
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		<title>Comment on The Lasting Legacy of Freud by Reinaldo Gavel</title>
		<link>http://ryanhoover.net/blog/blog/2010/02/06/the-lasting-legacy-of-freud/#comment-14059</link>
		<dc:creator>Reinaldo Gavel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 13:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice read, I just passed this onto a friend who was doing a little research on that. And he just bought me lunch as I found it for him smile Therefore let me rephrase that: Thanks for lunch! &quot;Remember It is 10 times harder to command the ear than to catch the eye.&quot; by Duncan Maxwell Anderson.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice read, I just passed this onto a friend who was doing a little research on that. And he just bought me lunch as I found it for him smile Therefore let me rephrase that: Thanks for lunch! &#8220;Remember It is 10 times harder to command the ear than to catch the eye.&#8221; by Duncan Maxwell Anderson.</p>
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		<title>Comment on More automated backups &#8211; Pinboard.in this time by Dave Hein</title>
		<link>http://ryanhoover.net/blog/blog/2011/05/18/more-automated-backups-pinboard-in-this-time/#comment-13135</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Hein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2012 04:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recently created a bash script to do this that I schedule to run nightly. Posted to &lt;a&gt;GitHub&lt;/a&gt;, but all the details are discussed in a recent &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.freshthought.com/jenesuispasdave/?p=26&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;blog entry&lt;/a&gt;.

--
Dave</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently created a bash script to do this that I schedule to run nightly. Posted to <a>GitHub</a>, but all the details are discussed in a recent <a href="http://www.freshthought.com/jenesuispasdave/?p=26" rel="nofollow">blog entry</a>.</p>
<p>&#8211;<br />
Dave</p>
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		<title>Comment on More automated backups &#8211; Pinboard.in this time by Flo</title>
		<link>http://ryanhoover.net/blog/blog/2011/05/18/more-automated-backups-pinboard-in-this-time/#comment-11603</link>
		<dc:creator>Flo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2012 12:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(I guess I&#039;m a little late with this, but I discovered your article just now while searching for a way to automate Pinboard.in backups.)

You can create a new file with AppleScript by doing this before the &quot;do shell script&quot; part:

open for access file theFile
close access file theFile

I like to have a date stamp in the file name of my Pinboard backups. In case anyone is interested, here is my whole script (of course, modify the login credentials and file path):

-- create date string
set d to current date
set theDay to text -2 thru -1 of (&quot;0&quot; &amp; d&#039;s day)
set theMonth to text -2 thru -1 of (&quot;0&quot; &amp; ((month of d) * 1))
set theYear to ((year of d) as text)
set theDate to theYear &amp; &quot;-&quot; &amp; theMonth &amp; &quot;-&quot; &amp; theDay

-- create file
set theFile to &quot;Lion:Users:Flo:Backups:Pinboard.in:Pinboard.in&quot; &amp; &quot; - &quot; &amp; theDate &amp; &quot;.xml&quot;
open for access file theFile
close access file theFile

-- backup Pinboard data to file
set theURL to &quot;https://user:password@api.pinboard.in/v1/posts/all&quot;
do shell script &quot;/usr/bin/curl &quot; &amp; theURL &amp; &quot; -o &quot; &amp; quoted form of POSIX path of theFile</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(I guess I&#8217;m a little late with this, but I discovered your article just now while searching for a way to automate Pinboard.in backups.)</p>
<p>You can create a new file with AppleScript by doing this before the &#8220;do shell script&#8221; part:</p>
<p>open for access file theFile<br />
close access file theFile</p>
<p>I like to have a date stamp in the file name of my Pinboard backups. In case anyone is interested, here is my whole script (of course, modify the login credentials and file path):</p>
<p>&#8211; create date string<br />
set d to current date<br />
set theDay to text -2 thru -1 of (&#8220;0&#8243; &amp; d&#8217;s day)<br />
set theMonth to text -2 thru -1 of (&#8220;0&#8243; &amp; ((month of d) * 1))<br />
set theYear to ((year of d) as text)<br />
set theDate to theYear &amp; &#8220;-&#8221; &amp; theMonth &amp; &#8220;-&#8221; &amp; theDay</p>
<p>&#8211; create file<br />
set theFile to &#8220;Lion:Users:Flo:Backups:Pinboard.in:Pinboard.in&#8221; &amp; &#8221; &#8211; &#8221; &amp; theDate &amp; &#8220;.xml&#8221;<br />
open for access file theFile<br />
close access file theFile</p>
<p>&#8211; backup Pinboard data to file<br />
set theURL to &#8220;https://user:password@api.pinboard.in/v1/posts/all&#8221;<br />
do shell script &#8220;/usr/bin/curl &#8221; &amp; theURL &amp; &#8221; -o &#8221; &amp; quoted form of POSIX path of theFile</p>
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		<title>Comment on Bad Medical Reporting? by 2tb external hard drive for mac</title>
		<link>http://ryanhoover.net/blog/blog/2010/06/15/bad-medical-reporting/#comment-11342</link>
		<dc:creator>2tb external hard drive for mac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2012 07:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you able to register to your rss feed of commentary for this post in anyway?  Where do I get the url for this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you able to register to your rss feed of commentary for this post in anyway?  Where do I get the url for this.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Personality tests for group work by Ryan Hoover</title>
		<link>http://ryanhoover.net/blog/blog/2012/01/27/personality-tests-for-group-work/#comment-9044</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Hoover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 20:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good idea. I changed it to &quot;I like a loosely structured work plan&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good idea. I changed it to &#8220;I like a loosely structured work plan&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Personality tests for group work by Greg wilson</title>
		<link>http://ryanhoover.net/blog/blog/2012/01/27/personality-tests-for-group-work/#comment-9041</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 18:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This looks great and much cleaner than mine. I wonder if there is a less judgmental word than &quot;messy&quot;?  People might not self-select &quot;my work process looks like a serial killer&#039;s office wall.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This looks great and much cleaner than mine. I wonder if there is a less judgmental word than &#8220;messy&#8221;?  People might not self-select &#8220;my work process looks like a serial killer&#8217;s office wall.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Millennials and Attention Spans by David</title>
		<link>http://ryanhoover.net/blog/blog/2010/04/12/millennials-and-attention-spans/#comment-5703</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2011 15:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too am interested in the Millenial Generation.  While there are no exact dates to this generation, I use 1977 - &#039;95 for 2 reasons:

1. Accurate surveys that have included those born during the late 1970s prove that even they are liberal on social issues - sure, maybe not as much as the babies of the &#039;80s, but they too have long supported, say, same - sex marriage, green technologies, and immigration rights by a majority opinion.  Just see the book, &quot;Generation We,&quot; by Eric Greenberg and Karl Weber (although they use 1978 as the start date for Gen Y).
2. An online chart proves that the &quot;echo boom&quot; REALLY began in 1977, when 159,000 more babies were born than during &#039;76.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too am interested in the Millenial Generation.  While there are no exact dates to this generation, I use 1977 &#8211; &#8217;95 for 2 reasons:</p>
<p>1. Accurate surveys that have included those born during the late 1970s prove that even they are liberal on social issues &#8211; sure, maybe not as much as the babies of the &#8217;80s, but they too have long supported, say, same &#8211; sex marriage, green technologies, and immigration rights by a majority opinion.  Just see the book, &#8220;Generation We,&#8221; by Eric Greenberg and Karl Weber (although they use 1978 as the start date for Gen Y).<br />
2. An online chart proves that the &#8220;echo boom&#8221; REALLY began in 1977, when 159,000 more babies were born than during &#8217;76.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Alternatives to the &#8220;research paper&#8221; by Drew M. Loewe</title>
		<link>http://ryanhoover.net/blog/blog/2011/08/09/alternatives-to-the-research-paper/#comment-4583</link>
		<dc:creator>Drew M. Loewe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Research-based papers need not be dull, alienated purely academic exercises, but the problem is, to do justice to a &quot;research as inquiry&quot; mentality (and avoid the crippling &quot;resolve complex pro/con issue in 8 pages and pretend you have changed a strain of Western thought&quot; trap) and to get the intellectual benefit out of the assignment, you are looking at at least three major assignments: proposal, annotated bib, and paper, with a synthesis chart or synthesis draft included as a possible fourth major assignment. There goes 90% of the semester. Better have significant student buy-in the the questions they are trying to answer (and that is rare, even among majors, let alone gen-ed students). I agree that &quot;THE RESEARCH PAPER&quot; as it is institutionally mandated is not the best, or even always one of the best, ways of reaching important rhetorical and intellectual outcomes. The problem isn&#039;t so much the genre as it is the requirement that the genre always be used, not only as the content of the course but also as the programmatic assessment evidence...

I agree totally that MLA citation form and layouts modeled on old typescripts are intellectually unimportant. Citation form can simply be referenced at the appropriate time (if it matters), or a reasonable alternative can be used (if that is what matters). Argument, synthesis, good reading, the use of others&#039; ideas, etc. are what count.

On the other hand, as Tevya might say, isn&#039;t it appropriate to require something like disciplinary discourses and genres (though those genres are not the only game in town, and should not be) from advanced undergraduates? Does your post conflate 1. any and all research-based, traditional argumentative essay assignments with 2. FYC assignments? One more occasion to revisit the &quot;what is FYC supposed to be teaching?&quot; question ....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Research-based papers need not be dull, alienated purely academic exercises, but the problem is, to do justice to a &#8220;research as inquiry&#8221; mentality (and avoid the crippling &#8220;resolve complex pro/con issue in 8 pages and pretend you have changed a strain of Western thought&#8221; trap) and to get the intellectual benefit out of the assignment, you are looking at at least three major assignments: proposal, annotated bib, and paper, with a synthesis chart or synthesis draft included as a possible fourth major assignment. There goes 90% of the semester. Better have significant student buy-in the the questions they are trying to answer (and that is rare, even among majors, let alone gen-ed students). I agree that &#8220;THE RESEARCH PAPER&#8221; as it is institutionally mandated is not the best, or even always one of the best, ways of reaching important rhetorical and intellectual outcomes. The problem isn&#8217;t so much the genre as it is the requirement that the genre always be used, not only as the content of the course but also as the programmatic assessment evidence&#8230;</p>
<p>I agree totally that MLA citation form and layouts modeled on old typescripts are intellectually unimportant. Citation form can simply be referenced at the appropriate time (if it matters), or a reasonable alternative can be used (if that is what matters). Argument, synthesis, good reading, the use of others&#8217; ideas, etc. are what count.</p>
<p>On the other hand, as Tevya might say, isn&#8217;t it appropriate to require something like disciplinary discourses and genres (though those genres are not the only game in town, and should not be) from advanced undergraduates? Does your post conflate 1. any and all research-based, traditional argumentative essay assignments with 2. FYC assignments? One more occasion to revisit the &#8220;what is FYC supposed to be teaching?&#8221; question &#8230;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Alternatives to the &#8220;research paper&#8221; by Larry T. Hoover</title>
		<link>http://ryanhoover.net/blog/blog/2011/08/09/alternatives-to-the-research-paper/#comment-4579</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry T. Hoover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Aug 2011 19:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While consideration of alternatives has merit, I am going to defend the traditional research paper.  In the sciences (social and physical) the research paper represents practice in characterizing the &quot;state of the art&quot; or, stated differently, the &quot;frontier of knowledge&quot;on a given issue.  A medical researcher investigating a new treatment for pancreatic cancer does not start from scratch.  He/she builds incrementally on previous relevant research.  Articles in JAMA begin with a succinct literature review - to inform the reader where the frontier of knowledge lies, followed by a transition to &quot;this is what our research contributes.&quot;  

A similar situation applies, of course, to the social sciences.  A report on the efficacy of one particular intervention in the field of offender correctional treatment is pretty meaningless without a literature review providing insight as to whether the findings are consistent with similar interventions, or the same intervention in different settings, or with different offender groups.

The arts and humanities are, of course, a different circumstance.  But in the sciences, writing a succinct literature review characterizing the status of knowledge for a given issue is far from meaningless.  Will anyone but the teacher read a review written by a college sophomore?   No, of course not.  The purpose is to hone a skill - scientific writing - not to make a real contribution.  Indeed the topic the student might select is of minor import.  The purpose of the research paper assignment is to contribute to student learning of the scientific method.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While consideration of alternatives has merit, I am going to defend the traditional research paper.  In the sciences (social and physical) the research paper represents practice in characterizing the &#8220;state of the art&#8221; or, stated differently, the &#8220;frontier of knowledge&#8221;on a given issue.  A medical researcher investigating a new treatment for pancreatic cancer does not start from scratch.  He/she builds incrementally on previous relevant research.  Articles in JAMA begin with a succinct literature review &#8211; to inform the reader where the frontier of knowledge lies, followed by a transition to &#8220;this is what our research contributes.&#8221;  </p>
<p>A similar situation applies, of course, to the social sciences.  A report on the efficacy of one particular intervention in the field of offender correctional treatment is pretty meaningless without a literature review providing insight as to whether the findings are consistent with similar interventions, or the same intervention in different settings, or with different offender groups.</p>
<p>The arts and humanities are, of course, a different circumstance.  But in the sciences, writing a succinct literature review characterizing the status of knowledge for a given issue is far from meaningless.  Will anyone but the teacher read a review written by a college sophomore?   No, of course not.  The purpose is to hone a skill &#8211; scientific writing &#8211; not to make a real contribution.  Indeed the topic the student might select is of minor import.  The purpose of the research paper assignment is to contribute to student learning of the scientific method.</p>
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